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Trail Cameras

Trail Cameras

Caleb and Zach (aka Tank) return to discuss the upcoming bow season and what’s new in the world of trail cameras. Cellular trail cameras are the new way of obtaining intelligence and monitoring property and wildlife. With so many to choose from, Caleb and Zach help Hunter break down some of the top cameras on the market and the pros and cons of each one.


Narrator (00:02):
Hunting, fishing, and all things outdoors. It's not just a hobby, it's a lifestyle. Welcome to the Greentop Outdoors Podcast with your host, Hunter Brooks.

Hunter (00:13):
Welcome to another episode of the Greentop Outdoors Podcast. Uh, I have two special guests today returning. We have Zach and Caleb from our archery department, two of our archery pros here at Greentop. How you guys doing today?

Zach (00:27):
Doing all right.

Caleb (00:27):
Pretty good. Glad to be back. It's been a minute.

Hunter (00:29):
It has been. Yeah. Last time y'all were here, we talked about, what did we talk about?

Caleb (00:35):
What was new for 2023?

Hunter (00:35):
New, new bows. That's right.

Caleb (00:38):

Hunter (00:38):
Accessories. BowTech. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Matthews. Mm-hmm. And Hoy. That was the, the gist of that conversation. So,

Caleb (00:43):
Matthews, <laugh>,

Zach (00:45):

Hunter (00:46):
Anti Matthews

Caleb (00:47):
Guy. I've, I've gotta give Hunter crap for shooting to Matthews. That's right. We have a podcast. It's like a tradition. That's right. And Mr. BowTech over here.

Hunter (00:53):
That's right. That's, that's right. We have, we are all representative of our brand right here at this table. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, BowTech Matthews, the big three. And Hoyt. Yeah. The big three. So we're gonna actually talk a little bit about bow hunting, uh, now, uh, 'cause we're gonna get into something. Uh, right. Right. Now, what's, what's hot, what's new in the store right now? Uh, what's new in the industry right now, but quick now that we're talking about bows, uh, you guys are seeing a pretty significant increase in people getting their stuff tuned in. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> set up

Caleb (01:23):
100%. Uh,

Hunter (01:24):
And now is as good a time as any need to get your, get your butt in here and, and get your boat worked on. Right?

Zach (01:29):
Yeah. Especially if you need anything like ordered, like string of cables or anything like that. 'cause right now, the turnaround time is still right around two weeks or so. The longer you wait, the longer that time is gonna get. It's gonna get up to be like four

Hunter (01:41):
Weeks. Yeah. And you don't, you know, you don't need that in September, right?

Caleb (01:45):
No. No. That 4th of July, mark, once 4th of July hits, most everybody's gone on vacation. You know, they've, they've allocated their funds towards, uh, towards their vacation, and they're, they're starting to think about B season. So, like Zach said, it's gonna be like a week and a half, two weeks now. And as we get closer, it's gonna get longer. Yeah. And longer and longer. So now is the time to get anything done that you need done. And before the first weekend in October and

Hunter (02:08):
Stuff is available right now mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So if you need, like you said, tank, anything that needs to get ordered can get ordered at a pretty decent timeframe right now. But, uh mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and then the closer we get to the season, the repairs get piled up and it takes a while to get, I mean, you know, you can't work on but one boat at a time. Yep. Yep. Uh, the repairs, they get piled up and you don't wanna be at the bottom of that pile. Yep,

Caleb (02:30):
Exactly. Put it on the top right now,

Hunter (02:32):
<laugh>. That's

Caleb (02:33):
Right. Yeah. Because there is a pile now,

Hunter (02:34):
And you know, if you need to be shooting your bow right now too, so.

Caleb (02:38):

Hunter (02:39):
Uh, I know it's hot outside, but, hey,

Caleb (02:41):
How do the three of us who's been shooting, I wanna know, we talked about it recently. Have you been shooting?

Hunter (02:45):
I haven't shot in the last couple weeks. Come on, man. I know. I'm cold right now, man.

Caleb (02:49):
I'm on like a every day. I'm trying to shoot at least six a day.

Hunter (02:52):
It is so wet outside with moisture, humidity, and grass. Yeah. I feel like I have to cut my grass every day right now. Yeah. So, uh, that's my excuse. Stick it. You go

Caleb (03:01):
Out there and pull it back, pull the bow back a dozen times and you're drenching sweat.

Hunter (03:04):
Uh, yeah, that

Caleb (03:05):
Too, that wonderful time of year. But yeah.

Hunter (03:09):
So real quick before we get into what we really came here to talk about, and that's trail cameras and on top of that, cellular trail cameras, we're gonna get into those momentarily, but, um, what else is new right now at Greentop? What's going on guys?

Caleb (03:24):
I think that the biggest thing that is new in our department is the tree saddles and,

Hunter (03:29):
Uh, saddle hunting. Saddle

Caleb (03:30):
Hunting. Yeah. Which has become the new latest craze. And as of this past couple weeks, we are now a tethered dealer. Yep. Which is the leader in the industry, in our opinion. Um, great group of guys. And, uh, we have the, the Phantom xls, the Phantom and the Menace. Is that right, Zach? Yes. All three saddles. Um, we've got their full line out there. We're very excited to be carrying those guys. And I think a few of us at the counter are gonna be getting a saddle this year. Yeah. So we're

Hunter (03:57):
All back in the, we're back in the saddle

Caleb (03:58):
Back or fresh into the saddle. Fresh

Hunter (04:00):
Into it.

Caleb (04:00):
Yeah. Um, I think Luke is one I'm considering it as well. I think Zach had talked about it a little bit, but, um, we're all looking forward to it. They're, I think they're gonna be here for our expo, um, showcasing some of their new products for 2023. And, um, we are very, very excited. What do you have to add onto that, Zach?

Zach (04:17):
I haven't really had a chance to get into 'em and like mess with 'em a whole lot mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because I don't think I got the chance to go out there when the reps were here with y'all guys. Sure. Um, but it's definitely something that I'd like to really dig into. Yeah.

Hunter (04:32):
It looks, it's interesting. It's, it's almost like it's a new way of hunting. Yeah, sure. Think of it that way. It's a totally different way of getting into a tree and, and hunting. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I'm curious about it myself. Uh, some people, most people would look at it as a very unsafe way of doing it. I think it's the exact opposite. It

Caleb (04:50):
Feels a whole lot safer than it looks. Yeah. And I, I had the opportunity to get in one with the reps when they were here mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, I've always been very hesitant about 'em. 'cause in my opinion, prior to talking to those guys and, and getting in one, I kind of thought of it like, okay, I'm in a tree stand, but I'm just relying on my harness. Right. But really, it's not like that the entire time you leave, from the time you leave the ground to the time you're sitting up in the tree, you're connected to that tree. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it's, you have a lot of abilities with the saddle that you might not have with a, a climber or a hang on, or a ladder stand. So if you're a public land hunter, if you're a private land hunter, there are some benefits that you're gonna gain from hunting out of those saddles.

Um, one, the biggest advantage is probably the fact that if you do hunt public land, you're not hauling a climber. You're not hauling a lone wolf in there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you're wearing your stand pretty much. And just taking sticks with you. If you're a private land hunter, which I didn't really think about this until they mentioned that all you need to do is just kind of invest in sticks and you can have different sets, and then you're always, you got that saddle attached to you, you can go to different places. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's a pretty cool system. Um, we're very excited and looking forward to it, and happy to, hope to get some guys in some saddles.

Hunter (05:57):
Well, and for bow hunters too, it seems to be popular because it, it, it appears to be a pretty comfortable way to shoot mm-hmm. <affirmative> at the same time. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

Caleb (06:06):
You have 360 degrees around that tree you can shoot when you're in a saddle, which is super cool. It's, uh, it's def it's unique and you don't have the ability to do that in any other stand. It's, uh, it's awesome.

Hunter (06:18):
Yeah. So, uh, new here. So check it out. Uh, you know, go to, uh, tethered, uh, website, uh, check out the products or just, you know, just kind of Google, uh, saddle hunting mm-hmm. <affirmative> and see what it's all about if you're cur curious about it. So, uh, uh, it's, it's catching on. It's, um, you know, it's gonna be, uh, probably next 2, 2, 3 years will probably be even bigger. Yeah. You know, you probably even see some of these bigger companies going to some of these saddle mm-hmm. <affirmative> stands and stuff like that, so I don't doubt it. Yeah. Um, other than that, anything else new we need to talk about before we get into the cameras?

Caleb (06:52):
I think we can just dive right into the cameras. Let's

Hunter (06:53):
Do it. So it's that time of year where, you know, the, the velvet is, is showing and it's time to get the cameras out and, and see what's, uh, see what's growing and watching 'em grow, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, in order to do that, you gotta get some trail cameras. Yeah. And over the years, I've, I've watched these things progress for the last 20 some years. You know, I remember, I can't even remember who made the first ones I had, but it was a, it was a box camera sitting in there that you'd had to take, take out and get, get the film developed. Oh, really? You know, and, uh, that shit, I'm showing my age here, <laugh>.

Caleb (07:31):
I know. I was about to say, my first one was the one that took the big fat D batteries. Yeah. The Moultrie. And when it, when it went off, you could hear it click. Yeah. It was so loud.

Hunter (07:39):
Yeah. Those was a loud click. And then, uh, these things would flash mm-hmm. <affirmative> and you get, you know, <laugh>, you get these bright flashes at nighttime. Um, but, uh, now, you know, I knew eventually you were gonna be able to just open your phone up and just look at what's in front of your camera almost instantaneously.

Caleb (07:57):
And that's like a standard now, it, it

Hunter (07:59):
Seems. Yeah. And now we are here and it's, uh, the technology's incredible. And now everybody's doing it. And we've kind of just brought out, uh, we got, what, five cameras here that are all cellular cameras and they're all under $200

Caleb (08:15):
Right there at 200 or under. Yep. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Hunter (08:19):
Um, they all work with an app.

They're, they're all, uh, generally the same sort of plans. You can get plans as low as, what, four or $5 a month? Depend that, depending on how, how many pictures you want. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, I would definitely say that it's not, I mean, it's not a rip off by any means. 'cause I've been doing cell cellular cameras for at least the last two or three years. It's getting better. It seems to me like they're getting cheaper. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the plans are getting better and cheaper. Uh, the quality, whether it's the video or the, uh, the, the, the pictures themselves are pretty good.

Caleb (08:55):
Absolutely. Yeah. They've come a long way too. I remember when I first started working here, there was a, there was a company we carried, and it was probably the first cell cam that I'd ever seen. And in order to get the ability to get it, to send it to your phone, you had to go to Verizon or at and t and buy a sim card. And you were basically basically paying for another cell phone. Yeah. And now we've gotten to the point now where you're paying the manufacturer and they're offering these programs, and then you have it sent to your phone via the app. Yeah. So they've come a long way. They're a lot more user friendly than they used to. And there's a whole bunch of 'em out there. Like I said, it's become a standard. They're

Hunter (09:29):
Definitely durable too. I mean, you know, for a long time, even just, just, and you can still, cell cell cameras are by far the, the, the most popular a hundred percent if people, but you can still have

Zach (09:39):
Percent of their phone. They don't

Hunter (09:40):
Want 'em. Exactly. You can still get regular trail cameras though, if you wanna do it the old fashioned way. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, another feature that most of these cameras have is a built-in G P s. Is that correct?

Caleb (09:50):
Some of them are. It's becoming more and more popular. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's becoming, uh, I think that the, the new camera from Moultrie this year, that's a new feature. Tact cam offers that as well. Yeah. Uh, which is very beneficial, especially if you, we have a lot of customers. We hear a lot from a lot of, you know, you guys saying that cameras are getting swiped and they have no ability to know where it's at. They're, yeah. And then they have a cell cam and they're getting pictures of somebody else's garage. They're getting pictures of somebody else's property. Um, but if you had the G P s, you have the ability to kind of track that down and

Hunter (10:21):
Yeah. And I mean it, I guess, uh, trespassers these days might be a little bit, uh, more worried heading on to somebody's property get, because, uh, you know, you walk in front of one of these, it's over mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. You know, you're, it's, you're done. You know. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know. Um, but let's start off with, uh, what's the first one there? You got there? Spy Point. Yeah.

Zach (10:40):
Spy Point.

Hunter (10:41):
So the Spy point, LMM two, that is, uh, that comes in around like $99, right?

Zach (10:46):
Yeah. Right there at about a hundred

Hunter (10:47):
Dollars. And they do a double pack. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you could buy a two pack of them for one, about 180. Yep. Um, so transmits photos directly to an app that you download and set up just the way you would in any of the other ones. Um, I think, does this one require an SSD card for it to, to operate?

Zach (11:06):
So this one, I believe this one does. Yeah. I think, yeah. So this one requires a micro SD card. Okay. So you got to, it doesn't have to be the Spy point sd Micro SD card, which is the only one that we carry. But if you go to like, like Best Buy or something like that, any,

Hunter (11:30):
Any micro s deal, just

Zach (11:31):
About any micro SD card will

Hunter (11:33):

Caleb (11:33):
Yeah. And that's one of the few companies or cameras that offers a free plan mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, they offer from free two unlimited. So you don't necessarily have to, if you want to try it out before you start paying a monthly subscription, they offer a program to

Hunter (11:47):
Where it's Oh, like a little free

Caleb (11:48):
Trial. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah.

Hunter (11:49):
Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I mean, pretty compact. Um, you know, coverage looks pretty good. I think they can, let's see. I will use just about anybody's,

Caleb (11:59):
I think that one is a at and t or Verizon. So you would have to choose. Yeah.

Hunter (12:03):
Um, kind of choose which

Caleb (12:05):
Carrier Sure. Determine wherever you're planning on putting this camera, you need to determine who's got better service. Verizon, or to at and t. Yeah. Because it's gonna run off that tower

Hunter (12:13):
And it takes aas, which is good. And there's also a rechargeable lithium battery pack, I think that you can get for this.

Caleb (12:21):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. I think you have the ability to put a solar panel

Hunter (12:24):
On that one.

Caleb (12:24):
Exactly. Which is another thing that's becoming, that is fairly standard.

Hunter (12:27):
I've been seeing that a lot. What, what's next? We got the, the Multry mobile edge. Um, I have one of these myself. I can speak to this one. Good quality stuff. So

Caleb (12:38):
Can I and one's

Hunter (12:39):

Caleb (12:40):
No SD card required. Yep. Which is very new. It's, uh, they has a built-in memory system. It's

Hunter (12:45):
Brand new for this year. Mm-hmm.

Caleb (12:45):
<affirmative> <affirmative>. And then another thing that kind of really changed the game, in my opinion for the Edge, was the fact that it's not specific to a carrier or a tower. It's gonna find the strongest signal in your area. Area, whether it's Verizon, at and t, doesn't matter. It's gonna connect to whichever one's strongest. So you don't have to sit there and, and go out there with somebody, find a buddy that has Verizon, or find a buddy that has at and t and go figure out what's got better service. It's gonna connect to whatever's strongest. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Hunter (13:14):
Price point's about the same as a Spy point too. Right.

Caleb (13:16):
It's about a hundred dollars. And they offer a two pack for like 1 79. Yeah.

Hunter (13:20):
So the two pack's about the same money too. Um, this, I've always, I've enjoyed the app too. The app, they've

Caleb (13:26):
Got a good program.

Hunter (13:27):
The app, the program's good. You can break down, um, you know, especially during the season if you're trying to, trying to figure some things out mm-hmm. <affirmative> this where this Buck's heading time of day and stuff, they really help you, uh, I guess kind of pinpoint what's going on. Um, so the app is, is easy to use. And, um, I, I've ne I really haven't had any issues with it.

Caleb (13:50):
Yeah. I haven't either. I've, I've been a big fan of the Edge and, uh, of course they just released the Edge Pro, which we are expecting soon.

Hunter (13:57):
That's a smaller

Caleb (13:57):
Unit. It's a little bit smaller, but the biggest difference is gonna be the F T E, which is the false trigger elimination. And their big marketing point on that is that when you start paying a monthly subscription to receive photos mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you don't want a bunch of pictures of a, of a tree limb. Of a

Hunter (14:10):
Tree limb

Caleb (14:11):
Moving. Yeah. Or the sun heating up the leaves and then it, it turns it on, you know, and that's gonna really, and really knocks down on that. So you're only getting the pictures that are gonna be actual animals or a person or whatever you're using it for. Right. Um, Multry is also really good with their Multry mobile program as far as you can, you can go in there, you've probably seen it on your app. You can, you have, there's like a checkbox, and if you only want it to take pictures of a buck, yeah. They have technology to where you check that. And it's only gonna take pictures if it sees antlers. If you only want to use it for security purposes.

Hunter (14:41):
I wanna see the donkeys too.

Caleb (14:43):
Yeah. You wanna see the donkeys <laugh>. Um, if you only want to use it for security purposes, you can check humans. Um, I think you can check turkeys and other stuff. Yeah. Which is really nice, because if you're paying all that money for a subscription and you don't wanna receive a bunch of pictures of a raccoon going and eating all your corn, yes. You have the ability to adjust that.

Hunter (14:58):
Yeah. And I mean, you make a good point. You know, when you set these up, I mean, you have to really consider a lot of things if you don't have that sort of technology and, and, and, and the, these, it, it's very sensitive to mm-hmm. <affirmative> a lot of movement. You need to be sure that tree branches aren't in the way. Exactly. Uh, little things like that. Or you don't want this thing facing east or west, uh, typically because you don't want the sun Correct. Shining directly into the end of view and you can't even see what, what's, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I've, I've made that mistake. I'm sure everyone has, you know, that's a green

Caleb (15:31):
Top pro tip, I guess, is don't face your cameras east or west. Yeah. Always north or south. Exactly.

Hunter (15:37):
Um, another thing, so

Zach (15:38):
Yeah, they've got the, uh, that pro's got the adjustable f o v on it. So if you are putting it in a place where you've got branches on either side, you can adjust that f o v on the camera so that you can take those branches or the leaves or whatever, whatever it may be. I didn't know that out of the field of view in the direction that you're pointing that camera. I

Hunter (15:59):
Did not know that either. Yeah. That's interesting. All right. So the edge and then the new Edge, uh,

Caleb (16:08):

Hunter (16:08):
Edge Pro mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the Edge Pro's about is that, isn't it like half the size? It's

Caleb (16:12):
A little bit smaller.

Hunter (16:13):
The Edge is a pretty small camera, but the, the pro is a little bit smaller in, uh, it's, is it camo? It's in Realtree or

Caleb (16:20):
Something. It's like a bottom land

Hunter (16:20):
On bottom land or something. I think

Zach (16:22):
It's bottom land. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because some of their other standards are in Bottomland.

Caleb (16:25):
Yeah. I think the megapixels jump a little bit on the pro. They buy a couple, but I mean, price

Zach (16:29):
Jumps up a little

Caleb (16:30):
Bit too. Price does jump up right at

Zach (16:32):
1 7 9,

Hunter (16:32):
And I think all of these come with some sort of strap where you're just gonna strap it to a tree. Correct. We'll get into the next camera. We'll get into, we'll talk about a, a different mount. That is a, it's a pretty unique mount that, that you can usually, uh, I don't know if it comes with it or not, but you can buy 'em separately. The, the cutback system we're gonna talk about in a second. Okay. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so the Edge, great purchase, um, I mean, it's no SSD card required. I've had great luck with it so far. Um, I'd, I'd highly recommend that one. It's a good one.

Caleb (17:04):
Probably one of our best sellers. Yes. I would say definitely.

Hunter (17:06):
There weren't many left out there when I, when

Caleb (17:08):
I came through. No, they do not stick around very long.

Hunter (17:10):
So next, uh, we're talking about the new cutback tracks, which is not part of the Cuddy Link system.

Caleb (17:18):
It is not. We'll get into that a little bit. Yeah. But, um, because the cutback has got a great camera too, and as the cell cam craze has been, you know, skyrocketing, they had their cutting link system, but they, it, it was hard to find one of their cameras that was just a regular old cell camera and not involved with the cutting link system. So the tracks allows that to be, you know, you can just use it as a regular old cell cam. Um, now Zach, does, Zach, do you have the ability to also hook that up to a cutting link if you wanted to? I'm not too familiar with the tracks.

Zach (17:50):
I don't think you can. Okay. Um,

Hunter (17:53):
I think it's, yeah, if what I understand, I think it's just this is strictly as a straight competitor to, to like the, the, the edge and Gotcha. Just, just a, just a cellular camera.

Zach (18:05):
Yeah. I think like, very similarly to the multry, like if you want to run several cameras on the same plan, I think you can do that mm-hmm. <affirmative> for,

Hunter (18:17):
But they don't link to each other. Correct.

Zach (18:19):
Yeah. Probably for, you know, a certain amount of money per camera you add to the plan, just like the mulch trees. Um, but I don't think you can link 'em all together. Right.

Caleb (18:28):
And for those that aren't familiar with the cutting link system, I think it was two or three years ago, cutback released a program to where you can link up to 16 cameras at once. Yeah. And pull one SSD card. So you could have a home camera, like at your gate or at your shop or house. And then all throughout your property, there was a certain distance you could, you know, have to space the cameras out so they could relay to each other. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but you could pull one SD card so you're not stomping through the woods and stinking up your honey hole or any, any jumping, any deer or leaving any cent behind. Um, you, but you can pull all the pictures from your property rather than going through the woods and checking

Hunter (19:05):
Every, having to check each camera, checking every, yeah. It was a, it was genius at the time. Mm-hmm. It was, it was the best system out and then, then the cell cameras really took off. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but yeah, the track system, I think everyone's kind of been waiting because there are a lot of cutback fans, people who use Cutback know the quality you're gonna get with Cutback and the, the image quality for one, for sure. I've always thought that they have probably some of the best image quality mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, I mean they, they can all promise you how many pixels and, and all that. But I, I, I still think consistently Cutback has probably some of the best image quality and video quality that I've seen.

Caleb (19:43):
Absolutely. There are known name and it's one of the few too that is a strict, a very strict trail camera company.

Hunter (19:49):
Yes. That's correct. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, so yeah, the cutbacks good. Very similar trail camera to the Edge in the spy point we just talked about. Um, it will basically any, it'll, it'll use at and t or Verizon. Uh, it's, it boils down to a, a new app you just gotta download to your phone. Uh, a lot of the same features. I think this one does take a, it does take a card, uh, where the Mulch tree did not, but, uh, gray Camera. It's got dual antennas on that puppy too.

Caleb (20:17):
He does have too mm-hmm. <affirmative> that you can link up to five users, I think on the, uh, to receive the picture, not just

Hunter (20:23):
One. That's right. So if you want to get, you know, you and your boys mm-hmm. <affirmative> wanna all get the

Caleb (20:27):
Same. I don't want my boys seeing my pictures. I

Hunter (20:28):
Don't either. I mean, you know, when it comes to this stuff, you know, I'm, I'll share pictures after the season. Yeah, yeah.

Caleb (20:34):
After I got 'em in the back of the truck. Not while he's out there.

Hunter (20:36):
That's right.

Caleb (20:37):
Hear that Tank Me and Tank aren't the same land <laugh>.

Zach (20:39):
No idea what you're talking about. <laugh>.

Hunter (20:42):
Alright, so next let's go with, uh, the tactic. Cam Reveal

Caleb (20:47):
Asked It is back.

Hunter (20:48):
Yeah. The tactic Cam reveal is back.

Caleb (20:50):
We, uh, we have not had it for the past couple years. We've had a lot of, uh, a lot of requests to get it back in here, and we have got them back.

Hunter (20:59):
The trouble with it was the, as a, as a retailer, the, the requirements to have this in the store were a little, little stiff. Yeah. I'll just say

Caleb (21:09):
That. But it's straightened out. We, we worked out, they're back on the shelves here at Green Top. Yeah. We got, and they're not sitting very long. 'cause we are rolling through 'em

Hunter (21:16):
Already. Oh, they are. We already sold out of all the X Pros. Yeah. All we have left are the gen twos, so Yeah. Uh, another, another camera or another company that has a big following, like cutting back. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like Moultrie like everybody else. Um, great camera, you know, uh, great photos, HD quality videos. S same thing. Um, nothing really sets this thing apart over any of the others.

Caleb (21:38):
I think the most attracting thing to the consumer with this camera is that if you have more than one camera, they cut you a break on the, uh, the month to month. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I got you. So,

Hunter (21:48):
So you can get them payments down

Caleb (21:49):
Lower. Yeah. You get 'em a little lower. You buy more cameras. Uh, the quality of the image is unreal. Yeah. Uh, they have great camera quality. Yeah.

Hunter (21:57):
The app is the app. I hear. I, I don't have a reveal, but I hear the app is a good app too. So, um, yeah. So that's another good one. And we got one more to discuss. And this last one is, the one thing that sets this one apart, I will say is this is the only one that was not made in China. Correct. <laugh>.

Caleb (22:20):

Hunter (22:20):
So I gotta put that out there. Uh, this is the Browning Defender Pro Scout Max. Uh, I'd say we're talking about, it's still a great camera. You know, the, I I don't know anything about the app on this. I think you can still use Verizon or at and t just like the other ones. Mm-hmm.

Caleb (22:40):
<affirmative>, I've heard customers say it's a fairly, you know, comparable to the tact camera or the Multry

Hunter (22:44):
App. It it should be, because I think this is on the higher end in the price point. It

Caleb (22:48):
Is probably the higher of the five we've talked about. Um, but I will say too, you know, the years we've carried Browning cameras Yeah. It's probably what we get the least defective returns on. You're right. And even before they were doing a cell cam, before cell cams were affordable or, um, even plausible for the average consumer, it was something, their quality of image was superior, their function was superior. They're very simple, easy to use. And uh, it was, the price point was always a little bit more than a multry or a stealth cam or anything like that. Yep. But the quality was there for Yeah. You're getting what you pay for.

Hunter (23:23):
No doubt. I've, I've still got two that are probably pushing four, probably five years old, uh, that are just regular, um, SSD card cameras. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I still use 'em. Uh, they, they still take pictures. They still make good videos. Um, I'm waiting for 'em to break and they're, they've yet to do it. So

Caleb (23:42):
Does this have the L C D screen on it? That was one thing that attracted to the

Hunter (23:45):
Brands. I believe that one does. 'cause I think they've always scout. I thought the scouts always had the screen. I could be wrong

Caleb (23:51):
Because when it comes to setting them up, that makes a difference. It

Hunter (23:54):
Does. Yeah.

Caleb (23:55):
I can't remember what the model was that I have, but I've got a couple, I've got like a command, couple command ops pros and the, uh, man, what were those called? We used, we still carry 'em, I think. But the l little l c d screen on the inside of the door when it comes to setting your camera up is a whole lot easier to see Yeah. Than sitting there and trying to see the little digital thing. And some of these other ones, you have to go on your phone to make any adjustments. You do, you have the ability to make adjustments on this camera while you're sitting there.

Hunter (24:20):
And one thing I've noticed with all these new cameras, um, battery life has gotten much better. Oh yeah,

Caleb (24:26):

Hunter (24:26):
Oh yeah. Uh, so I know a lot of people used to hate having to change those batteries out. You know, they, or they'd go <laugh> and go to get, pull their SD card and the cameras off. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's, it is been off for weeks. Yeah. Or, or days. And, and it's because the batteries are just gone on it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, but,

Caleb (24:44):
And the edge takes like, what, 20 you can put up to 24, I think. Yeah. 24 aas. And I think all of these are gonna recommend an alkaline Yes. AA, and you're gonna get a longer life out of it. Better performance. And of course, you know, depending on how high of a quality image you're setting these settings to, yes, it's gonna drain more battery. If you're doing videos, it's gonna drain more battery. Definitely. Um, so that's something to think about. If you're like me, I'm gonna put mine out now, I might move 'em around, but I don't, I try and hope to not have to change batteries until the end of the season.

Hunter (25:16):
Yeah. And I think Browning touts like the one year battery life on 'em. But, uh, I mean obviously that's ideal circumstances on what you're using it for, but, um, I've seen, I think the last, my edge, I think I went almost the entire deer season from about late October until mid-January. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> on the same batteries. Yeah. And I was, and I was getting a regular amount of vi uh, not video, but, but pictures from Sure. So yeah, battery life is excellent on all these new, uh, cameras. Now. We've covered these. Um, you know, they're very competitive now. Pricing's pretty good. Uh, at some point you're probably just gonna have to buy whatever's in stock because these things are gonna continue to go in, uh, go outta stock. Oh yeah. Uh, it is, it is that time of year. Everybody wants 'em. Exactly. But there's also, this is the time of year if you're gonna be setting them up, where do you set 'em up this time of year and what do you, what do you put in front of them?

Caleb (26:12):
Depends on how many ticks you wanna pull off you. I guess I've put out some cameras this past week, um, this time of year, me personally, I'll hit field edges and put something out there to kind of attract and just see what I've got going on as far as mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the deer population, what target deer I've got in the area. I don't really, when it gets to be real thick in the woods this time of year, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna start putting cameras deep into the woods maybe until the end of August or early September. Yeah. And, you know, I've got, I'm hunting ag fields in King William County, so the fields have got soybeans. I can kind of mos my way around and, and put cameras up and, you know, the deer are hitting those bean fields hard, the fields that have corn, you're kind of limited.

I did put one in the woods two days ago, took a little walk, pulled some ticks, and definitely got some triggers. But Yeah. Um, you know, I, I try and focus on the field edges right now as we get closer to the season. I'll start kind of moseying looking for the spots where I'm playing on hanging a stand where kind of the finding those, uh, those travel, those highways between food source and betting areas mm-hmm. <affirmative> and determining what's sticking around for the fall pattern and what deer moving out from their summer pattern. So, I don't know. Can you, what do you think, Zach, what are you, what is your game plan here?

Zach (27:21):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, this time of year, especially where we go fields right now are definitely the spot to look just to see what's there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> as we get closer to August, September up to both season, when the deer start getting out of their summer patterns, you know, then you can kind of move your stuff into those, into those crossings where you're thinking about hanging your stand in that general area to figure out what stand, what's not. Yeah. Um,

Hunter (27:49):
Yeah. That's when, I mean, the tendencies are gonna start to change about, you know, September on mm-hmm. <affirmative> and that, that's when the

Caleb (27:58):
Bachelor groups break up. Yeah. And everybody right now wants a good picture of a bachelor group

Hunter (28:01):
With, that's

Caleb (28:02):
The thing. I mean, eight or nine stud bucks just sitting in the same

Hunter (28:04):
Spot. Yeah. Getting pictures of the bachelor groups right now. That's, that's what it's all about. Yeah. 'cause that's the impressive stuff when you can get a picture of, you got, like you said, anywhere from six to nine mm-hmm. <affirmative> big bucks or just buck solve right there in velvet. Yeah. Staring into that camera, man. It, it's pretty exciting stuff. It gets, it gets you fired up.

Caleb (28:22):
What are y'all putting in front of your cameras right now?

Zach (28:24):
Well, that depends on how many, uh, conservation officers are listening to the podcast. <laugh>. I'm

Caleb (28:32):
Just, well, I mean, we're, well wait, what? I don't think there's a, I think we're legal right now. Yeah, yeah.

Hunter (28:38):
Legal until Labor Day. Right? Absolutely.

Caleb (28:40):

Hunter (28:40):
Then we're good. Yeah.

Caleb (28:42):
Um, I'm putting out corn. That's just my go-to. If I wanna know what's in the area and I put a 50 pound bag corn out, they'll come, it's a little late to start doing the minerals and stuff for the antler growth. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> of course. And I'm sure, I dunno if y'all talked about that with, uh, was it Matt Knox?

Hunter (28:59):
Matt Knox, yeah. I

Caleb (28:59):
Don't know if y'all talked to him about that, but

Hunter (29:02):
A lot of biologists don't like, uh, I guess feed

Caleb (29:07):
Sites 'cause of C W D. Yeah. Yeah.

Hunter (29:08):
Because it's a, they say it's just, uh, it's a Petri dish for everything. It's apo, it's a cesspool of disease bacteria and bacteria where they're all coming into it. And that, that's where Yeah, that's where the disease gets spread. Now that's, that can be argued. It could be. Yeah.

Caleb (29:22):
But, uh, Matt Knox, I'm sorry. You seem like a great guy. I haven't met you <laugh>, but I definitely just put out a hundred pounds of corn <laugh>.

Uh, but no, I mean, this time of year is not a great time to a lot of, we get a lot of our minerals and stuff in this time of year, but the antlers have already kind of gone through their growth. If you really wanna try and grow your deer, you need to be putting out minerals and the supplements and stuff earlier in late, late spring, right after tur Turkey season is probably when you're gonna wanna start putting that out to kind of benefit their antler growth and get more mass and, and, and make them a little bit more healthy. But right now I'm just putting something out to attract them and get an idea of the deer population and see my target bucks. Yeah,

Hunter (29:58):
Yeah. Yeah. Because you gotta, you know, you gotta know what's, what's, you know, what's on your, what's on your property, what's, what's potential, if you're looking for one that was from last year mm-hmm. <affirmative> make, see if, if he's, he's survived and how, how much bigger he is got. Yep. Uh, it's, it's the best time of year to start doing that now. Um, I, you know, I've always liked the, the deer cane, the deer cocaine stuff. Oh yeah.

Caleb (30:22):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative> black, that's

Hunter (30:23):
What I use. The black magic, that, that stuff's great. 'cause you can just, you can mix it, mix it in with a little bit of water. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and honestly, you, we've had this, we call it the, the Coco <laugh>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I mean, we've had one at, at our club for probably going on 15 or more years.

Caleb (30:43):
You'll sit there and dig at

Hunter (30:44):
It. And it used to, it, it was, it used to be just flat land. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> that we just dug a little hole and we started putting it there. Well, it was, it was so attractive to 'em. They just kept coming back every Yeah. And we kept adding it every year. And still to this day, it's like this, this pit that's there. Yep. And those deer come back every year. Yep. And you'll notice, 'cause I've noticed this, if you've got one, I've had, I've had 'em in other spots before and I've hunted an area that the deer late in the season, they come through and they will stop and they will check that hole. Yeah. Late in the season, just 'cause they remember it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they, they know that, that there was something there for 'em. And they'll, they'll still hit that later on. Now, obviously there's no minerals or anything after Sure. Labor Day. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there's nothing there for them to look or Sure. Paw at, but <laugh>, they, but they'll, but they come back, you know, so they, they don't forget.

Zach (31:34):
Yeah. The nice thing about the black magic too, is you don't have to mix it with anything. It's just a powder that you just put out

Hunter (31:38):
There, pour it right in there. Yep. Yeah. You

Caleb (31:40):
Can mix it with, they, they tell you on the thing, I think the manufacturer recommends you can get the, they sell the liquid black magic and the liquid deer cocaine. Yeah. You can mix that together in a little hole,

Hunter (31:49):
But, and there's all kinds of good stuff out there now. Oh, sure. With the blocks mm-hmm. <affirmative> and all that. I mean, you know, definitely what, whatever you want to use to attract them there, there's plenty of options mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, but now's the time to get the camera, get the setup, uh, get the attractants out there and then, uh, and start, uh, rubbing those hands together for Yeah. For both season. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, and, and muzz loading season. So, um, what else we leave, we leave out guys, we get, we cover everything on the camera end.

Zach (32:17):
Yeah. I mean, the only other thing that I might add is as far as like the cameras that do require SSD cards, each manufacturer will recommend that you use a specific card, like the tactic cams. I know tactic cams, you do have to use their SSD card. Um, I think there's only a,

Hunter (32:34):
Is it because they're only formatted to use those cards? Yeah, I believe

Zach (32:37):
So. Yeah. And I think, I think only a handful of other cards that you can use. So Yeah. Um, either a TAC Cam SanDisk or a Lexar class 10, um, SSD card.

Hunter (32:49):
Um, that's on the ttac cam reveal. Yeah.

Zach (32:51):
16 through 32 gigabytes. So it looks like anything lower than a 16 or higher than a 32 will not work.

Hunter (32:57):

Zach (32:57):
Okay. But I mean, for the most part, all your other cameras you can use just about any brand of SD card that you can get out there. Yeah. Um, typically I wouldn't go over a 32 because, because of the software format mm-hmm. <affirmative> on most of these. Um, but I mean, as long as you can find a, a pretty decently priced, you know, cheap, low SD card should have no problem with

Hunter (33:22):
It. And if, well, if you go with the real, I mean the mo multry, uh, edge, you don't have to worry about, don't even need to

Zach (33:28):
Worry about

Hunter (33:28):
It. There's no SD card needed

Caleb (33:30):
Right. To all your memory is built in. Yeah. You can, you can delete off the app. Um, I, I love that about it. That's, I'm probably gonna pick up a couple more.

Hunter (33:38):

Zach (33:39):
I don't even

Hunter (33:40):
Have one. Yeah. And you know, honestly, uh, I think, you know, my father had a couple cameras stolen off of his, off of the farm, um, rec you know, last year. And he's now convinced, he's like, all right, I wanna do the cell camera thing. So he bought two of the edges and he went through and did the setup all on his own. Very easy to do. Uh, e even if you're not familiar with this stuff, it's, it's very self-explanatory. Yeah. I mean, they really do a great job of walking you through how to, you really can't. Absolutely. You really can't screw it up, I guess. Um, so all these things are built probably equally now. Um, speed's good. Quality's good.

Caleb (34:19):
The playing field's been leveled. It

Hunter (34:20):
Really has. Yeah,

Caleb (34:21):
It has.

Hunter (34:22):
Um, I'll have the Edge, Multry edge, I'll have to give the edge because they also tout that two year warranty. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, I don't know if Cutback or any of the others tout any sort of big warranty, but the fact that they will tell you right on the box. Yeah. It's a two year warranty. That's, that's, it's good.

Caleb (34:42):
And for those that are, you know, thinking about getting cell cams or haven't pulled a trigger, and maybe they're listening to this, trying to compare and decide which one to go with. I think just about every single one of these manufacturers has a kind of a, I don't know how to describe it, like an example of their, uh, app or their website. I know, for example, Multry Mobile, if you go on, it'll show you a, uh, what it would look like if you had an account, and then they're gonna have their different plans lined up mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So don't hesitate to check out the manufacturer's websites to kind of compare, um, that it'll give you a better understanding of how much it might cost you in the long run as far as the plans go, or what the different plans consist of. So I highly recommend doing your

Hunter (35:20):
Research. I think I saw on, on Cutbacks site, if you, if you buy a year long, if you commit to a year long plan, they give you a free black and white camera. Hmm. I think that's what they're running right now. So, um, you know, keep, you know, just look into that. If you already, if you got a cutback and you want to get a plan, if you're gonna use this thing for hunting season, and then beyond that for security or for around your property, things like that, you may, it, it may be worth it to spend, I think it was $130 for a year long plan, but you're also, they're giving you a free camera also. Yeah. Yeah. So it's pretty good, pretty good deal there. So I don't, I don't see anybody else doing that right now, but Cutback is the more expensive camera at that.

So, um, yeah. I would say, you know, these were probably some of your best selections out there. Absolutely. I would agree with you. Yeah. I, well guys, thanks for being here again. Thanks for, uh, opinions and expertise. Absolutely. Uh, if you're looking to get that bow set up, come on, do it now. Yep. Get it over with, you know, 'cause like Tank said, uh, if you need those, those strings are, are only going get weeks and weeks further out, so Yeah. You don't wanna wait too much longer. Exactly. All right guys, we appreciate it. Thanks again for being here. Absolutely. Thanks for having us.

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