New Bows for 2023!

Caleb Sutton and Zachary Hale (aka “Tank”) join Hunter to discuss new bows for 2023 by Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech. They also revisit hunting season and discuss successes this year and how and when to prepare for next year.

Narrator: Hunting, fishing, and all things outdoors. It's not just a hobby, it's a lifestyle. Welcome to the Greentop Outdoors Podcast with your host, Hunter Brooks.

Hunter Brooks: Happy New Year. Welcome to another episode of the Greentop Outdoors Podcast. Uh, first of the year, cuz it's been, it's been a minute since we did a podcast.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. It's been a minute. Y'all did. Uh, Santa

Hunter Brooks: Santa Santa was the last guest we had. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and many reasons for that because it's been extremely busy. [00:00:30] It's been show season. But, um, we're gonna talk about some new cool things for 2023 on this episode. And, uh, it's, it's primarily gonna be focused on the new bows for, uh, 2023. Uh, first let's talk about our guest today. We have Caleb Sutton, and we have Tank.

Caleb Sutton:Glad to be here again.

Hunter Brooks: <laugh>, uh, AKA Zachary Hale.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. So <laugh>, so the name that is on my birth certificate is Zack. Um, [00:01:00] but if you're ever hanging around the archery counter, you will not hear that name. No. It's always tank.

Hunter Brooks: It's always tank. For good

Caleb Sutton:Reason.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. For, for very good reason. Absolutely. And, uh, so, uh, let's start with you. Tank. So you've been with Greentop how long? Uh,

Zachary Hale:A little over five years.

Hunter Brooks: A little over five years. And, uh, you were, you were in high school. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, when you were pestering the crap out me about working here, you would not leave me alone. I'm like, I'm fine. I'm just, I'm just gonna hire this guy. Just so leave me alone. And it was a good hire. It was, it was a,

Caleb Sutton:It was. He's still not leaving you alone either. <laugh>, it's like, kind [00:01:30] of got worse. <laugh>.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. So, um, you know, you, you both work in the archery department. You're, you're bot tech and, um, and you, you both hunt. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, cons. Uh, primarily bow hunt. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Caleb Sutton:Um, and we're related, which is Yep. Which something that a lot of people know.

Hunter Brooks: But, you know, tank. You, you, you do some, you have some extracurricular activities beyond Greentop, don't you? Yes.

Zachary Hale:Yes I do.

Hunter Brooks: So what do you do?

Zachary Hale:So outside of Greentop and hunting and everything, I also play music.

Hunter Brooks: Yep. [00:02:00] Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. What kind of music?

Zachary Hale:Mostly country music. I, I play guitar and I sing a little bit.

Hunter Brooks: So you're just kind of solo out there? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Zachary Hale:Do like a all

Hunter Brooks: By my one man. Wolf Pack <laugh>.

Zachary Hale:That's right.

Hunter Brooks: And you do, uh, you do some, uh, just, just sing at some bars and restaurants and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, things like that on the weekends. Yeah. Weeknights. Cool. W well, uh, I mean, is, are you like a George straight guy? Are you a, who's

Zachary Hale:Your COOs? I I definitely throw some of that in there. Yeah. I try to try to mix it up. Little old, little new

Caleb Sutton:Lot [00:02:30] of Tyler chillers from the Times I've Oh, that's good. Witnessed good type

Hunter Brooks: Thing. Yeah. Well, uh, Caleb, how about you man? How you doing?

Caleb Sutton:I'm good. It's been a minute since I've been on the podcast.

Hunter Brooks: Uh, last we talked about archery stuff. Last time you were

Caleb Sutton:On it was kinda like a what needs to be done before the season announced season's

Hunter Brooks: Coming, gone, like prep season. I mean, it it flew by quick. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:With what we had of it, you know,

Hunter Brooks: <laugh>. Did you guys have first, did you guys have much success this year? Because I, I did not.

Caleb Sutton:I killed a nice buck. I killed the biggest deer.

Hunter Brooks: That's right, you [00:03:00] did.

Caleb Sutton:I've ever killed. That's right. And it wasn't with the bow, but it was another first killing something with a muzzle loader, which is, that's right. Cause you've, I've never,

Hunter Brooks: I've never, you've never really hunted with a firearm. It's always been, been bow stuff. Right.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. And I, you know, I've, I'm part of a haunted club and I've just, like Andrew run dogs during gun season mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But I've never taken something with a muzzle loader. So that was cool. Um, and then on top of that being the biggest buck I've ever killed. That's good. Which was awesome. Yeah. And it was a, it was, it was a really great, everything played out like it, it was supposed to [00:03:30] and it was a, it was awesome. Yeah. I know. That's the best way to describe it. It was a great experience

Hunter Brooks: Tank. How about you, man? Did

Zachary Hale:You get I can't say I did as well as he did. Yeah. I, I definitely got in the woods more this year than I did last year.

Hunter Brooks: That's good.

Zachary Hale:Didn't see much though.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. It was hit and miss this year. Yeah. That's, you know, I took, uh, the, the very few days I went, I took a couple people that had never, never really either, have never really had an opportunity the last few years to hunt much. And they just wanted to get, they just wanted to get some meat [00:04:00] in the freezer. So, you know, I just took a couple people and they, and they were successful. I was not, Billy was unsuccessful, but That's all right. Yeah. Billy had, he didn't get a chance to get out much this year, but he was just happy to just get out there. You know.

Caleb Sutton:He did shoot a elk though. He

Hunter Brooks: Did shoot an elk. That's right.

Caleb Sutton:So it kind of weighs out. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Hunter Brooks: A little bit. So I don't feel as bad for him now. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:I had a hard bow season.

Hunter Brooks: I haven't gotten any of that elk meat. Have you, you guys?

Zachary Hale:No, I, well actually New Year's Eve I got something cuz he brought in some elk

Caleb Sutton:Barbecue. Oh, I see how it is.

Zachary Hale:New. New Year's Eve. [00:04:30] Got a hot man. Gotta hop on the New Year's Eve train man. <laugh>.

Caleb Sutton:But no, I had a really hard bow season. Yeah. I haunted probably 15, 16 sits and I made some mistakes as far as those haunts go. That won't happen next year. I honed in on one deer. Yeah. And it would, probably could have eaten the deer that I shot with the muzzle litter. But yeah, I got so caught up with him and I knew where I was getting pictures and when he was coming out that I just focused on that and because of that [00:05:00] kind of lacked in the department of shooting doze or any management deer. But, um, I got to haunt a lot, spent a lot of time in the woods and, you know, that was good enough for me and shooting that deer with the muzz loader. Yeah. Also made up for it. So,

Hunter Brooks: Well, before we get into the bows, cause we're gonna talk about, uh, the new bow from Botec. The one, the new bow from Matthews and the new bow from wheat. Uh, before we get into that, let's kind of revisit our hunting season and, and think of it cuz I used to always try to, at the end of the season say, all right, [00:05:30] what went wrong this year? What didn't go right. What, what should I have done a better job at? Or Yeah. And just write all these things down and then begin prepping for next year. Absolutely. Because I think preparation for hunting season next year should always begin right after the season for sure. Um, whether you're shooting your bow, uh, you're tuning it up, changing your sight, doing something different. Um, for one, I gotta get in the woods more. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's, that's, that's the one thing. But, um, there's other things that we all kind of fall back on saying, man, I should have, [00:06:00] um, you know, like you said, you know, I shouldn't have been focused on that one deer. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:I've got a few things written down too that, well, good.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. It's, um, the, the other, the, the one thing that I, I should have done that I always say every year, but I always don't do. And I'm, I'm definitely gonna do it next year. Of course. I said that last year, um, is I'm gonna shoot the first deer. I see.

Caleb Sutton:Did you

Hunter Brooks: Do it? No. Why not? Well, that's the thing, you know, that's

Caleb Sutton:Come on

Hunter Brooks: On. I should have, I should be doing that, you know. Yeah. I should just go ahead and get it, get it, get the pressure [00:06:30] off. Shoot the first one because the more I hold out when it comes time for me to go and put some more meat in the freezer mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I'm just, I'm not getting any sh shot out sh shooting opportunities. Yeah. Uh, and I'm thinking back, I'm like, man, I should, I should've,

Caleb Sutton:You're kicking yourself. I

Hunter Brooks: Should've taken the one the, in the, in the beginning of the year, so mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So what, let's go over what you got written down first. Then

Caleb Sutton:I've got mine kind of broken up into bow season and muzzle letter season, bow season. I kind of touched on a minute ago, I was honed in on this one deer. Now he's coined the name split. He's got [00:07:00] a split like g2 and he's a freak. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I mean, he's just an absolute freak. Um, and that kind of relays back. I should have branched out more. There were a lot of areas that I did not put a lot of attention to. And I think I may have mentioned this, uh, in the last podcast I was on, but this was my first year doing like a hanging hunt, um, hunting with a lone wolf stand. Yeah. And rather than me, you know, take advantage of that, I had that one set hung up and I was just banking on that set. [00:07:30] And we've talked, I've heard y'all talk about this in podcasts with Andrew and, uh, the D w R guy.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But rather than go where the deer were, I had like this scenario in my head, he's gonna be here. You know, he's showing up a couple times. Today's the day. Rather than me chasing and figuring out where he was supposed to be or where he could have been. Yep. I had that scenario in my head and I, it was, it was drilled in there. I just really wanted it to happen right there. So I'm hoping next year I'll learn from my mistakes and be able to branch out a little bit more. Um, I loved [00:08:00] hung out lone Wolf. That was awesome. Yeah. I don't know if any of you all have or have or

Hunter Brooks: Have not mm-hmm.

Caleb Sutton:<affirmative>, it's, uh, it's nice. Catch it

Hunter Brooks: On. Right. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Absolutely. Going to muzzle loader season though. So unrelated to deer hunting in the Duck Blind, I've coined the name second shot Sut Tank is aware of this. And with the muzzle loader be my first year muzzle loader hunting. I did not spend near amount near enough the amount of time with that gun that I should have, the buck that I shot.

Hunter Brooks: [00:08:30] Well could, uh, the, it, it's, it's not like a bow.

Caleb Sutton:No, it's not. It's, it's not at all. It's, it's a little

Hunter Brooks: Easier, but you still wanna be confident. You still want, you know, have some sort of confidence with, with the weapon. Absolutely.

Caleb Sutton:So, and, uh, I wished I'd spent a little bit more time now going back to why, you know, the second shot Sutton, I missed that buck twice, which Wow. Caleb's really announcing this on the podcast for everybody to hear and

Hunter Brooks: <laugh>. Okay. So let's back up. So yeah, so the big buck, the biggest buck you ever killed, you had [00:09:00] two opportunities to hit it, to shoot it, and you missed twice. I missed twice and he's still,

Caleb Sutton:It looked like a Civil War reenactment going on cuz I was it <laugh> popping the powder and dumping it down the barrel. But it, it was really weird. You know, I, I'd spent, I probably bought that gun two weeks before Muer season. Okay. And I spent like two afternoons playing with it and understanding it. Yep. And Garin actually helped me out a lot and taught me how to use it. And I think the lack thereof me, you know, with my bow. I mean, when do you start shooting your bow [00:09:30] tank? I start shooting my bow probably in April or May.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. I mean, right now

Hunter Brooks: You guys aren't shooting your boat right now?

Caleb Sutton:I'm in a lull. I'm coming outta duck season. I'm, I'm, I'm

Hunter Brooks: Y Need to tighten up man. I'm,

Zachary Hale:I'm geared up for Turkey season already.

Caleb Sutton:Okay. When did Hunter shoot his boat last? That's the real question.

Hunter Brooks: I shot it a couple weeks ago. Really?

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. Okay. I did. Well that kind of backfired on me.

Zachary Hale:Yeah, no, I think when I start really trying to dial in, everything is typically right around the end of Turkey season when that stuff's kind [00:10:00] of starting to wind down. And I kind of started getting into the mindset like, okay, I need to go in and start getting this done. Yeah. So I'd say probably mid, I'd say late April, early May. Okay. Somewhere in there.

Hunter Brooks: So do you, uh, do you think you should start shooting sooner or do you wish you shot more throughout the year or,

Zachary Hale:Yeah. Okay. Definitely. Okay.

Hunter Brooks: I'm the same way. I mean, I was trying to get more consistency in shooting my bow. Uh, I mean, if I could, if I could shoot every day I would, you [00:10:30] know, it's just, it's difficult to do that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> just as life. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> life is now, we do have a range right here, literally mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know's just feet away from us Yeah. That we can shoot anytime we want, but we're, we're busy around here too. Exactly. It's exactly. It's, it's difficult to do that. Yeah. Um, but you know, as far as uh, preparations and things like that, there's, uh, there are some, there's some, um, I guess some scouting preparations Yeah. That I probably wish I had done more of, um, than I did not do, than I put off and then didn't have time [00:11:00] to do it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, um, I have actually already done those things. Yeah. In preparation for next year. The only thing I gotta do now is just put up the new, the new stand in the new spot. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, what else you got, Caleb? You got any other, uh,

Caleb Sutton:Well, my big thing too was like, kind of going back to what I was talking about is I want to treat the muzzle loader, you know, like I do the bow. Yeah. I want to be, you know, ethical to the, the most amount that I can, you know, to ensure that, I mean, I'm, I'm lucky that I didn't like [00:11:30] mame that buck. Sure. Yeah. And then lose, probably still be losing sleep now. Yeah. Um, and I want to get to the point where I'm comfortable and confident cuz after those two, the confidence hit the ground. Yeah. I mean, I know I did end up, you know, tagging that buck and, and well when

Hunter Brooks: You're, when you get an opportunity to shoot a, a, a very large animal that you're, you've been hunting mm-hmm. <affirmative> that, you know, I mean, a lot of people imagine it. They, they, they, they dream about it. Yeah. And then they get the opportunity. It, it's, it's a lot of pressure on yourselves too. Yeah. I mean, [00:12:00] and it's, it makes you nervous and sometimes you just, you could just be flinching. Yeah. You just have no idea what you're doing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, it's, it's hard to control your emotions when something like that happens. Um, you know, you know that you just, uh, getting, putting yourself in that situation. I've talked to guys who, when, when they go out on a big hunt out, out west mm-hmm. <affirmative>, whether they're shooting a bow or they're shooting a rifle or whatever, they work themselves up. They get a get, they accelerate their heartbeat on purpose and then they try to make a shot at

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. Run around the house [00:12:30] and then pick up your bow. We talked about that. You're

Hunter Brooks: Doing a lot of cardio and stuff like that. And it, it gets you worked up. Um, you know, is it, does it mimic the exact same thing that happens? Probably not. But it's close. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It, it is difficult when you, you know, you do some wind sprints and then pick up your bow and try to shoot a, a target at like 40 yards.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. I'm sitting in the neighbor's cab. It's not

Hunter Brooks: Easy. It's gonna happen, but it's, it's, it's, it's worth practicing or trying, you know, do it that way. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:Absolutely.

Hunter Brooks: So, uh, what about you Tank? You got any uh, any other you did?

Zachary Hale:I think trail [00:13:00] cameras was a big thing I've been lacking on the last couple of years. Cuz I keep, for whatever reason, you know, people come in here asking all the time about trail cameras and when to put 'em up, you know, where to put them, um, for deer. And I'd tell 'em, you know, the sooner you can get 'em out, the better. And I, for whatever reason, I refused to take my own advice. Yeah. Yeah. I, I I think the last time I had a camera in the woods was maybe two seasons ago.

Hunter Brooks: [00:13:30] Yeah. Well, the cameras, trail cameras for me. It keeps me, it keeps me hungry. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it keeps me, uh, you know, wanting to sell cameras

Caleb Sutton:Especially. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: They're the worst. I mean, they are, I've got a couple that just, you know, I put 'em in some great spots for, you know, where a lot of the aprons were, you know, all over the, all over the place and, and you know, and seeing some of the things I saw, you know, just, it it it it keeps you motivated to, to want to get out and go Yeah. Beat you up.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. Especially if you're in here working and you're getting those pictures on your phone. [00:14:00] It

Hunter Brooks: Sucks.

Zachary Hale:It's ridiculous. Yeah. It sucks. But it's insane.

Hunter Brooks: You know, just gotta find time and do more. Um,

Caleb Sutton:I think for me with the cameras is to not be as reliant on the cell cams and go ahead and start using, you know, the traditional go pull the SD cards mm-hmm. <affirmative> because I now that the trail cameras have become such a huge wave and a huge trend, you know, not only in my, you know, hunting field, but everybody else's is I've, I couldn't tell you last time I had a camera out that was like a SD card. I just have been relying on the two or three cell cams [00:14:30] I have and I have like nine or 10 regular old trail cameras that could be doing the same thing. Yeah. But it's hard to, you know, you get used to getting those pictures every day while you're at work or while you're, you know, at home or, or you get eaten up with everything else in your daily life and you don't, you don't want to drive 30 minutes, go pull SD cards cuz you're just getting pictures there. Right. So that's one thing I'd like to use is, is be more, be more useful of the cameras that I got. Even if they aren't cell cams. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: Well, we'll do, uh, we'll have a future episode [00:15:00] on just trail cameras. Cause

Caleb Sutton:That'd be a long episode.

Hunter Brooks: It's a long episode. It, and it's, it's, it'd be full of a lot of information because there's so many out there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, a lot, lot of good information on 'em. But I guess to conclude, um, our discussion on coulda, shoulda, woulda, uh, one thing I kept, I keep telling myself too is stop giving these bucks. All this credit. I think, I think we give them too much credit. <laugh>, you know, they're, you know, they don't, they're, they're smart animals, but they, [00:15:30] it's, it's more instinctual I think for me mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I, I just keep reminding myself they're, they're just, they're just living by instinct and Yeah. Uh, they're not, they're not trying to outsmart me. Yeah. They're not trying to outsmart another guy, just, uh mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I try not to give him as much credit. Just, uh, you know, just kind of hope, hope for the best and get lucky. Mm-hmm.

Caleb Sutton:<affirmative>

Hunter Brooks: Play the win. Right. You know, which the win. Everybody knows that that's gonna screw you up a Yeah. Nine times outta 10. But absolutely.

Caleb Sutton:Hope

Hunter Brooks: For the best. Expect the worst. Yeah, exactly. [00:16:00] Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, uh, try stop trying to out outsmart 'em. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people give 'em way too much credit. You know, that's me though.

Caleb Sutton:That's a good point. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: All right, let's get into some bows. We got new stuff. We're gonna discuss new stuff from bot tech team, BoTech. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Tank, uh, Hoyt Team Hoyt is Caleb. Yep. And I'm Matthews. So we got

Caleb Sutton:The trifecta. It's

Hunter Brooks: Worked out really good. Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:30] So, uh, I'll let you start it off, Caleb, what we got. All

Caleb Sutton:Right. So Hoyt this year has done something that I don't think they've done in the past. Um, rather than release a new, and typically speaking in the past five, six years, Hoyt has released a carbon line as well as an aluminum line this year. However, because of the success of the RX seven and the RX seven Ultra and the demand for that bow, they have just carried it over. They have not released a [00:17:00] new carbon bow. Rather the 22 is now the 23. Um, in addition to that, they've got the VTM 34 and the VTM 31, which they're aluminum 23 bows. And with the vtm s they have increased the axle to axle on both. And we've kind of touched on last time, you know, the benefits of having a longer axle axle bow mm-hmm. <affirmative> and previously speaking in the two, in 2022, you were unable to get, you know, [00:17:30] the exact same axle axle as their carbon line. However, now with the VTM 34 and the VTM 31, they're the same length as the RX seven s. You're getting that long ax act. So you're getting the more forgiveness and, uh, it, the demand for that long ATA bow can now be met on both playing fields.

Hunter Brooks: So, uh, real quick, so talking about the difference in aluminum and carbon mm-hmm. <affirmative>, what, what's as far as application goes? Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:What's, what's, what's, what's the difference? Their biggest thing is the weight, you know? Yep. And Hoyt [00:18:00] is, is one of those big bow companies that a lot of hunters out west that are backpacking. Big game honey, mule, deer, elk, um, that's where their huge customer base is coming from. Not only, you know, from the white tail side, cuz there's plenty of white tail hunters that shoot for them as well, or shoot their bows. Um, the weight is one thing. It's warm to the touch. So if you're out there and some weather like we had around here around Christmas time, it's not gonna sting your fingers when you pick up that bow mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but [00:18:30] one thing that I noticed that kind of attracted me was shooting both back to back and the Arc seven just shot significantly better for me than the aluminum. That's personal preference too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, and I tell a lot of customers is you gotta find the boat that speaks to you. That's kind of where I went because that Arc seven spoke to me. So what else is on that tank? I think the, uh, what was it you were talking about earlier? The hole in the riser?

Zachary Hale:Yeah. So along with the integrated, uh, dovetail system that they've had the last [00:19:00] couple of years mm-hmm. <affirmative> for their rests. Um, they've also machined a small hole in, there's a, the little piece that comes off the back of the riser, they've machined a small hole in that. So you can run your, um, air arrest cord through that. Cuz before you would have to like, run it around it and it would end up being, you know, getting in the way snagging on stuff or whatever. So to add to, you know, the, the trend that's been going on the last couple of years with these companies [00:19:30] of trying to make everything streamlined, trying to make everything as compact on the bow as far as accessories go, as as possible. Running that hole through that piece of the riser kind of helps to keep everything nice and streamlined. Okay.

Caleb Sutton:And Hoyt's got something on the front of the riser too, don't they? For the, uh, the new pickin from last year or two years ago. They carried that over too.

Zachary Hale:Yes. Yeah. The, the pickin rail on the front for their, um, for their Dovetail site, they brought that into, uh, the RX seven as well.

Caleb Sutton:[00:20:00] Okay. And that seems to be a common trend across the board. Streamline, you know, everything has tied to the bow and is in line with the bow as possible.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. I feel like that's the way all of them are going. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don't know, I don't, I can't remember who started that. I don't know. It was, it was probably Matthew's, I

Caleb Sutton:Think it was Matthew. I

Zachary Hale:Think the first, I think the first company, I think the first company to do a,

Hunter Brooks: An integr

Zachary Hale:Role. Like an integrated Yeah. System was Matthews, I think it was their integrated rest. It

Caleb Sutton:Was the Q A D

Zachary Hale:That was the first one. And then I, you're right then. And then Hoyt [00:20:30] followed suit with that. And then the following year they both came out with their integrated, uh, site system.

Caleb Sutton:Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And Hoyt's got the, uh, it's like a pickin rail that's been machined into the front of the riser. Um, and then Matthews has got the bridge lock system, which has been like everybody wants mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's the main thing that's been attracting a lot of customers and a lot of, you know, Matthews guys are, are white guys. Some of them are switching over just to get the benefits of that dovetail. And if [00:21:00] you're not familiar with a Dovetail site, trying to think of a good example. Um, spot Hog is a great one and it's got, I think you have the hog father on yours mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it's got know how it's got that, that long elongated bracket Yep. That now can go into the riser rather than on the outside. So that, you know, on, on

Hunter Brooks: The Hoit he's talking

Caleb Sutton:About on, on the, um, Matthews. Okay.

Hunter Brooks: On the new Matthews,

Caleb Sutton:Uh, last year they came out with the bridge lock and they've carried it over. That's right. This year. Yeah. And, uh, that's just, you know, rather than having a bunch of weight on the, if you're a right hand shooter on the right hand side of the riser, it's [00:21:30] now in line with the riser and the weight is, you know, evenly distributed and it's in line. It's streamlined. Yep.

Hunter Brooks: Looks good. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:Another thing with the Hoyts is they brought out, what was that, what was the name of that new camo? Fini or that finish that color? They brought out

Caleb Sutton:Bourbon. Yeah, they've got bourbon now and they've got em.

Zachary Hale:Everybody keeps hating on that color. Dude, I love that color so much. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: I mean, I, I I kinda like it.

Zachary Hale:I love that color so much. Is

Caleb Sutton:There two or is it just one?

Zachary Hale:I think it was just the one.

Caleb Sutton:Okay. So they've got a new bourbon color, which is darker than the buck skin. [00:22:00] Yeah. It's like a darker brown. I like it. It's slick looking.

Hunter Brooks: Some people just, they get just hate on brown, man. I mean,

Caleb Sutton:Some people just hate on Matthews. That's

Hunter Brooks: True. <laugh>. Um, so Yeah. Uh, the Hoyt obviously, um, leading the pack. I mean, they're, they've gotta be up there. Yeah. It's number one

Caleb Sutton:Here at Greentop. It's evenly, I mean, Hoyt, Matthews and Botec are the top three. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

Hunter Brooks: Which is, that's what we're talking about.

Caleb Sutton:We can get into the Matthews a little bit, but they whatever y'all

Hunter Brooks: Wanna Yeah. [00:22:30] Cuz I mean, you know, that, that, that kind of is it with, with Hoyt? Um, nothing off top of my head as far as anything newer out there with, with them right now. But let's jump right into Matthew's.

Caleb Sutton:So Matthew's has got the phase four and that's actually from a archery technician standpoint, they're kind of doing something a little crazy rather than, you know, the split limb on a compound bow has been on the rise. And that's pretty much the standard. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> now across in the archery business in the archery world. Now,

Hunter Brooks: Was Matthews [00:23:00] the first to do that? Uh, I don't know if they were the, I

Caleb Sutton:Don't think they were, don't think hoy the first, I think Hoyt was, I think Hoyt was, we need Billy in here for that. He would know. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. Ho I think Hoyt was,

Caleb Sutton:But, but now Matthews has split the split limbs. It's four limbs on each side Yeah. Of the bow. And they have a dampener phase

Hunter Brooks: Four mm-hmm.

Caleb Sutton:<affirmative>, right? Yeah, exactly. And they have a dampener running in between each set of two Yeah. To reduce vibration. And that is probably the, [00:23:30] in my opinion, between the three, the three companies we're talking about and the three newest products, it's probably this probably the most innovative, the

Hunter Brooks: Most highest on the cool factor.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Um, the vibration and the noise and the hand shock is little to nothing.

Hunter Brooks: Well, you know, with with they, they never cease to amaze me with their innovation because they are always trying. I mean, I can't imagine there's, there's probably stuff that they've been trying that you don't ever know about. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. That it's, it's just their, their innovation's [00:24:00] always pretty impressive. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and when they launch a new bow, whether, you know, uh, v3, VXR or whatever, there's not much difference with those bows, but they, they market it so well that you Yeah. You really have to get rid of your old bow and get the new one or, or just buy another one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Because they really market it so well that it's such a, it's, it's a, it's like, it's a must have. I mean they're, yeah. There's so much new, new technology [00:24:30] out there with it and, and they just, I, I, it's, it amazes me how, how well they do with that.

Caleb Sutton:And as far as marketing goes, Matthews is like on top. They, they have the, their name is out there more than anybody else. Sure. And, um, they do such a good job of branding their product and, and, and presenting it to their customer base through whether it's like social media influencers or, you know, whoever's shooting one on the outdoor channel. Right. They do an excellent job of getting that name out there. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: So, um, [00:25:00] phase four, um, they've, they've shipped them.

Caleb Sutton:Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we've got 'em. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we've got 'em, we've got 'em. Um, we've, we've already sold a couple

Zachary Hale:Of 'em. Yeah. The, the first shipment of those came in last Wednesday.

Caleb Sutton:How many have we sold since then?

Zachary Hale:Um, three. There's, there's one, there's one on hold for a gentleman. Um, me, me and Thomas sold two on Sunday.

Caleb Sutton:I sold one Friday.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. So I mean, we've, I think we've only got maybe three or four in the range left right [00:25:30] now. Out of the top ticket item out of the, what? Seven or eight that we got in. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: And so, uh, various colors in, in in that bow as well. Yeah. Yeah. The good old green and, um, green

Caleb Sutton:Ambush. Green granite ambush, green

Hunter Brooks: Popular granite. Yep.

Caleb Sutton:It, that was a new one last year.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. They came out with that last year. A lot

Caleb Sutton:Of people of like that skin, almost like a buck skin. It's a little bit lighter. Um, they did a stone gray a few years back, but it's, it's like a lighter, more tan gray Okay. Than the stone. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But that's been a popular since [00:26:00] we've got 'em. I mean, everybody's been asking since they released in November and we've had demos we can't sell and they're just eating, biting at the chomp looking to get one <laugh>.

Hunter Brooks: All right. So, um, anything else new with Matthews? They

Caleb Sutton:Did the integrated stabilizers. Do you know the name of that system? Is it

Zachary Hale:A it's the, they just call it the bridge lock stabilizer.

Caleb Sutton:Okay. So it's similar to the site, but your stabilizer, it has to be a Matthews cuz they make one that's specifically for this. Right. And it, rather than screwing into a tapped hole on the front of the riser, which you can still [00:26:30] do that, you don't have to necessarily run, you know, the Matthews stabilizer, but if you take advantage of it, it's the same thing. It's, it's going into the riser rather than being on the outside. And it's streamlined. And that's a really cool system too. They have a back bar, um, and a side mount that you can get with that as well. Okay. And that's another thing too, that no one's really done that yet. And, uh, it's, it's slick looking. It, it's a mix of, for a sleek bow and um, the demo we have has a front bar and a back bar on it and you shoot it, you can feel the difference.

Zachary Hale:Okay. I think it's [00:27:00] a great system. Cause if, like, if you look back, um, for the most part when you're looking at stabilizers, you want something that's gonna be long enough to get out past the edges of the limb pockets to effectively reduce the vibration that you're trying to get rid of. So, you know, depending on what bow you're shooting, that could be six inches, that could be eight inches, that could be 10 inches. With, with this stabilizer you can get, [00:27:30] you know, a 10 inch stabilizer and you can adjust the length Okay. To, you know, however long or however short you want it. Um, instead of having to go through several different stabilizers, figuring out exactly what works for you and what, um, what feels the best for the bow that you're shooting. So I, I think it's great.

Caleb Sutton:You don't have to buy like three stabilizers and go home and try 'em out. No, you can get the 12 or get the 10 and me try at eight. Lemme try it at 10. Yeah. See which one feels best. [00:28:00] And you have the ability to play with that. Same thing with the back bar. The back bar's got that same adjustment on that side mount where you can adjust the length that's hanging off the back of your bow to where you can get it where you need it. Yeah. And where it's gonna benefit you most. It's

Zachary Hale:Extremely light too on the frame, you know, aside from the weights that they obviously have on the front of it. Mm-hmm. Um, but it's, it's not a solid bracket. It's a, the, the bracket itself has been machined out with cutout since

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. It's very similar to their rises. It's very, very light. Like it's the same, I think it's the same, maybe it the same aluminum as the riser. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken mm-hmm. <affirmative> [00:28:30] and, uh, it's slick looking. They, they function well. They sh we've shot 'em, shot the bows with them on there. It's uh, that's another thing too that's just very innovative from them that nobody else has really done yet. So it'll be interesting to see what other companies will follow down that footstep.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. I'm sure they'll, I'm sure they'll, they'll start a new trend maybe. Absolutely. Um, backing up to the, um, the split limbs, the whole, uh, the whole, I haven't really heard the marketing pitch I guess by them on what that's gonna do. And [00:29:00] now you may have mentioned it earlier mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, you know, obviously it's, you know, far as stability and all that Yeah. And strength. It's, it's the same. Yeah. But, um, and I don't see where it would actually improve any of that. But I mean, you're cutting, I mean are you cutting weight really? What's, what's the, what's the pitch on that?

Caleb Sutton:Uh, the pitch on a split limb. That's a controversial topic too. Yeah. Um,

Hunter Brooks: Well I know, I mean cuz Yeah, that's why, that's why I asked. There you

Caleb Sutton:Go. <laugh>, here comes Matthew's guy. Now I'm obsessed with you <laugh>. Um, depending on how [00:29:30] the limb pockets and how parallel the limbs are with, cuz you wanna take a tank. It

Zachary Hale:Depends cuz you don't know if, no, I

Caleb Sutton:Mean it just, it just depends. I'm trying to think the best way to put it. It's a, um, because a good example is elite or prime. Yeah. They were the last two that were the last to do split limb. And I don't necessarily solid

Zachary Hale:Limb

Caleb Sutton:Or solid limb, I don't necessarily feel like, cuz I've shot both, we all have. Yeah. [00:30:00] Um, I don't really feel a difference in the shot. I don't really feel a difference in, you know, your let off or your vibration or anything like that with the exception of the phase four. Um, but I think it has to do with the energy transfer, you know, rather than your energy on the solid limbo. Typically, like with your old Matthew solo cams and stuff, a lot of your energy is kind of being placed out like as you shoot. Cuz the curvature was not very parallel on older style [00:30:30] bows. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Now your bows have gotten so past parallel, your energy is going up and down. And I think that has a lot to do with maybe the efficiency of the bow. Maybe the, you know, your overall energy transfer, your overall vibration, hand shock, stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. Um, I think that's where you're reaping the most benefits from a split limb bow. I

Zachary Hale:Got you.

Caleb Sutton:Would you

Zachary Hale:Concur tank? I would, yeah. All right. Cool. <laugh>? I think, um, talking about the phase four specifically, I think [00:31:00] that that rubber piece in between each pair of limbs mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I think that really helped to reduce any leftover vibration they had from, um, just the, the overall construction of the bow. Because when you, when you really break it down, aside from the, you know, the new limb design and the, uh, integrated stabilizer mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's extremely [00:31:30] similar to the V3 exit really is. Right. But, um, you know, they changed some stuff here and there. Um, but whatever, you know, vibration they had left over from that design, I think is where this new lemon design really shines. I think it really helps to eliminate any leftover vibration that you may have in that bow. And it helps to really quiet it down also. Okay.

Caleb Sutton:Boes nowadays have gotten so advanced crazy. I mean comes to a point now where it's like, like how,

Zachary Hale:How, [00:32:00] how much

Caleb Sutton:Better can they get? Exactly. And the, the V3 X was so successful and so is the vxr, so is the v ther V3 and, and all the after the hay lawn, when they all got really, really looking very similar year after year. You can say the same thing about the Hoyts. You say the same thing about the, the Botox mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's, they're just tweaking little things. Just trying to perfect, you know, last year's model, what can we do to make this a little bit better? What are we receiving the most complaints on? What are we listening to our customers? And that's what they did. They listened about the hand shock. Yep. I think the, the stabilizer [00:32:30] is one of those innovative things where it was like, Hey, we're gonna do this. This is new. Um, let's try it. And it's, I mean, it's awesome. Yeah. I mean, it, it is doing well. Um, but every company out there, I mean, you can say the same thing in the firearm world, how much more? Well

Hunter Brooks: That's the thing. I mean, there's always pressure. You get pressure from all your competitors Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:And your,

Hunter Brooks: Your members manufacturers and your consumers Yeah. On to do what's to do more to, I mean, it's like in the, in the carry the handgun carry world right now mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I [00:33:00] mean I, it was a, it was a fight to, to go as small as possible mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but have the highest capacity as

Caleb Sutton:Possible. Hellcat, the

Hunter Brooks: 360 365 Shield Plus is all that Taurus now. It's so funny, man. We've come in 50 in the last 20 years, we've come full circle where now people are walking in and asking for a Glock 26, which was the original subcompact high capacity gun. Yeah. And now they've, it's like they're [00:33:30] all growing again. You know, they're all these many subcompact singlet stacks are growing into, into a, what a Glock 26 actually

Caleb Sutton:Is. Cause now you've got crazy Cab Pro and you

Hunter Brooks: Got Exactly. And, and when I bought, it's just come full

Zachary Hale:Circle. Yeah. I mean, when I bought my whole cat, I thought it was crazy that it would hold, what was it, was it 15,

Hunter Brooks: 13? I think it was 13 originally. And then you can go with the 15 now. Yeah. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:And then they came up with the hell cap pro and that comes standard with what, a a a

Hunter Brooks: 16? Yeah. They get 16 plus one. Yeah. Yeah. Lord have mercy. Yeah. So

Caleb Sutton:[00:34:00] The 365 xl and I mean, it's going down now we're going back up. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: So now your pocket pistols are now, I mean it's almost, you know, not subcompact, but almost compact handgun mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So just, it's come full circle. But yeah, going back to the bow companies, it's gotta be a ton of pressure. Yeah. Because you, you have to do something, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and you know, it's not like you just sit around all year long thinking, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But there's, there's a ton of pressure to to mm-hmm. <affirmative> to keep up and, and to be [00:34:30] more innovative and things like that. Um, but I'm, you know, I don't, and maybe I'm just out of it enough to where I don't see it, but I've always wondered why aren't we going after, why aren't these companies going more into the recurve business or something? Or pushing, pushing new Recurve bows, you know? But I don't think the pop, I guess the popularity just isn't there.

Caleb Sutton:No, and it depends too. That kind of goes back to the social media and, and who, who's influence and who. Hoyt's got a great recurve line mm-hmm. <affirmative> as far as somebody that's [00:35:00] got like a mm-hmm. <affirmative>, higher end, newer technology. Recurve Ator is a great example. Billy actually went chasing elk with his. Yep. And it's a take down, it's an aluminum riser, so it's not wooden, um, fiberglass limbs. Uh, Matthews does not have a green curve

Zachary Hale:Line. I think Hoyt is the only, you

Caleb Sutton:Know, with the exception of Bear.

Zachary Hale:Well yeah, yeah. The only like, like high dollar bow company that's producing a Recurve at the moment. Yeah. Bott Tech's [00:35:30] not doing it. Matthew's not doing it. Um, I know Bear has their recurves, but I think, I think the bear recurve lineup, the bear compound lineup are so different.

Caleb Sutton:Absolutely.

Hunter Brooks: Like, but if somebody wanted to get into a Recurve, a bear or Recurve is probably where they would

Caleb Sutton:Most likely like, cause that's

Hunter Brooks: What Yeah. Three 50 bucks.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. Somewhere in there. I mean it's, or is this a to, you're looking at about a grand

Hunter Brooks: I think. Yeah. I mean that's a thousand dollars. I mean it's a, that's, that's a, that's a lot of money for rec swallow for a recurve. You're not sure you want to get into, you know. Absolutely.

Zachary Hale:It's much, much harder to get proficient [00:36:00] with a recurve, I think, than it is to get with a compound bone. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. But if you, you know, if you're into, if you love shooting just into a more of a challenge, I mean, recurves are fun, you know? Yeah. And you never know. You may just get out there and get, get something with your recurve one day. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That'd be, that'd be fun. Um,

Caleb Sutton:So Matthews also has, looking back on my list Yep. They've got the SAS system, which I don't know, we never talked about that in here, I don't think mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, they did this last year with the V three X [00:36:30] and it's called the stay a field system. And what it is, is on the cams of their bows now since last year, they have, uh, little pegs slash hooks to where you can press the bow in the field to fix it. If something happens, you can stay a field with it. And that kind of, I mean, if you look at somebody like Billy who's out in the middle of New Mexico in the middle of a national force, and he's just by himself, [00:37:00] if something goes wrong,

Hunter Brooks: Chokes up over Todd. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Falls down, Todd falls down a gully and loses everything,

Hunter Brooks: Messes up his bow and Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Um,
He, he can't do anything. I mean, if his peep site falls out, if something happens, if the worst case scenario, nothing, you can't do anything about it. Yeah. Well for somebody like that, or somebody who's intu the extremes of, of backpacking in, they now have a way to stay afield to stay in the hunt. Um, and it's actually for each length bow, [00:37:30] the V3 or the 29 or the 33, whichever model you go with, they sell a, it's like string material. It's served all the way through and you can press your bow to get it put back together. Okay. Or put a peep site back in or make a slight adjustment. Um, so that's pretty cool. And they carry that over into this year. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> along with the integrated rest and all that. So yeah. That's about it for Matthews.

Hunter Brooks: Well last is, uh, is bot tech, did we save the best for Last

Zachary Hale:Tank? In my opinion? Yeah. <laugh>, I think so.

Hunter Brooks: [00:38:00] Well, bot

Caleb Sutton:Tech, it's got the bot tech hat on and the shirt,

Hunter Brooks: The new bot tech was the first to arrive at the store. Right?

Zachary Hale:Yes. So bot tech, um, much how like Hoyt and Matthews released, you know, several lineups in their, or several bows in their flagship lineup. Uh, Botec released three new ones this year. The CP 30, the SS 34, and the carbon one. So

Hunter Brooks: All different price points.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. So your [00:38:30] carbon one is gonna be at a very similar price point to your hoit. Yep. RX seven, uh, it's gonna right around that 16, $1,700 price point, uh, the SS 34 and the CP 30 are gonna stay around that typical aluminum bow, you know, price range Right. At about 1100, maybe a little bit more expensive. Okay. Um, depending on what finishes you go with. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, the CP 30, the only thing they really changed up from last year with the CP 28 was they kind of tweaked the CAM [00:39:00] system a little bit to try and get a little bit more speed out of it. Um, they shortened up the brace height a little bit, I think, and then they also length lengthened the axle to axle. So instead of 28 inches, it's 30 inches.

Hunter Brooks: 30 inches. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:Um, the SS 34 is kind of a combination of the, um, of the revolt from 2020 mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the solution ss from last year, both

Hunter Brooks: Excellent bows.

Zachary Hale:Fantastic bow. [00:39:30] Yeah. Um, so they kind of took those and they come, you know, kind of took the best from each one and, and created the SS 34. And I'm, I continue to be blown away by all these companies, you know, putting out these extremely long axle to Axle Bowes. Like I don't,

Caleb Sutton:Well it kind of, it, it, it also, we just talked about the guns getting smaller and smaller. Now they're getting bigger. Yeah. Because that used to be the thing. Well, I

Hunter Brooks: Mean, cuz well, 10, 15 years ago, all the short bows was every,

Caleb Sutton:Everybody, everybody thought

Hunter Brooks: Outta Matthews DX was [00:40:00] a DX t mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, very short bow. Yeah. Fun to shoot, but it's not cool anymore.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. And then we got all the way down to the Triax. Yeah. 1 20 17 it was 28 inches Axle. Axle. And then now it

Zachary Hale:Got even smaller than that. The v the V3 1 27.

Caleb Sutton:The V3 27. That's right. And now we're gradually just going back out and a longer Bose shoots better. Yeah. Yeah. Water stringing angle is gonna be more forgiving and further distance. But if you

Hunter Brooks: Any, a lot of your online influencers, your social media influencers, they're, they're all shooting long

Caleb Sutton:Boats, right? They're shooting Yeah. Nine times outta [00:40:30] 10 they're shooting. You look at some examples like Chris B's a great one. Um, who else? Levi Morgan, who's a competitive archer. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Um, everybody's shooting a longer boat cuz they shoot better, they're more forgiving at further distance and just, it's just a known thing in our field that a longer bow is gonna shoot

Hunter Brooks: Better. Well it's kind of in relation to target shooting and a shotgun. You know, the longer barrels, you know, 30, 32 inch barrels. It's, it's kind of a must. You you have to be successful. It's Yeah. More forgiving, [00:41:00] whatever. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:If you look at a competitive bow or a competition compound bow and you look at a competition skeet gun and you got the skeet gun, it's got a 32 inch barrel and a raised rib on it. And then you go look at, you know what, the TX 38, that's a 38 inch XLE bow <laugh>, you know, that's, that's just how it is. And

Hunter Brooks: That's it. So, uh, so three new bows of bot tech. Yeah. Um,

Zachary Hale:Um, so CP 30, the SS 34

Hunter Brooks: And the carbon one.

Zachary Hale:And the carbon one. So, and I

Hunter Brooks: Remember cuz Todd brought the carbon one by [00:41:30] Yeah. For us to shoot and that was, that was in November. It wasn't Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Caleb Sutton:<affirmative>. Yeah. The carbon one is the like, whoa. Yeah. Wait a

Zachary Hale:Minute. Yeah. That one caught. I think, I think it caught all of us by surprise. Well

Hunter Brooks: I think anybody that's that's shot it or picked it up or they're, they're, I think they're very, I guess shocked that young man. You know, Botec is really, they've done something here. Mm-hmm.

Caleb Sutton:<affirmative>. They've come a long way man. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. I mean if you look back when like the Prodigy was big, the um, RPM 360. Yeah. [00:42:00] A lot of people had a lot of issues with those bows with um, the limbs. Just really bad tuning, um, experiences.

Caleb Sutton:The lamination. Yeah. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:A lot of people were having some really, really bad luck with the Botox, um, you know, several years ago. But then they, I think the first, the first model that came out where they kind of started moving back into the right direction was I think probably, oh, what was the [00:42:30] realm?

Caleb Sutton:It was the res six.

Zachary Hale:No, it was the realm.

Caleb Sutton:I thought it was the res because they switched in 2017, they switched from getting their limbs from a different manufacturer to producing them in the house. Okay. And that, like, I remember because the rep came in here and we were asking him, cuz we didn't see a whole lot of limb failures that year compared to years past. Yeah. And we were like, how many, you know, how many limb failures are y'all getting? And this is a rep that covers probably from New York all the way down to Florida. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And out of all the bows they had sold that year, he said they were like [00:43:00] 15 that had limb failures. Which was like Wow. Because comparing it to, you know, the rpm, the Prodigy, um, there was a whole list of 'em that it was just like, we still see 'em come in here where their limbs just, just go mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it was, it's from then from the Rain six and the Rain seven, they've shot upwards. And the thing about the Carbon one man is they're really, with the exception of pse, which we do not carry, there isn't really another company that's making a carbon bow like [00:43:30] hoit. The, the process of making those carbon risers. You see 'em, uh, diamond has 'em, Botec had the, uh, what's the, oh

Zachary Hale:Man, the carbon icon. Thank

Caleb Sutton:You. The carbon icon, which is a molded, you know, carbon riser. Yep. Um, which if you pick up that and you picked up an RX seven, you'd be like, it's just, it feels different. And it's because the carbon on the process of making the carbon riser on the RX seven, it's hand laid carbon. So now Botec with the carbon one, it's hand laid carbon. So the riser [00:44:00] is produced almost to a t the same way as Hoyt. And they have a way to compete, you know Yeah. With each other on a carbon model.

Zachary Hale:Well there's only a handful of facilities, you know, in the United States that do that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> hand laid carbon. Yep. And from what I understand, the, the carbon one is laid in the same factory that the Hoyts are mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, which I think is just crazy cuz there's, there's, you know, probably less than five facilities that can do that. Yeah, yeah. In the United States. And I think that's just [00:44:30] crazy to me. Yep. Um, but yeah, when, when Todd brought that carbon one out of the case, I was pleasantly surprised. I wa I was not expecting a carbon bow from Botec this year. There

Hunter Brooks: Were a lot of smiles. Were Lots of smiles that day. It was

Zachary Hale:Dude. And then I shot it. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Tank took out a bank loan and

Zachary Hale:<laugh>. Yeah. Not, not quite. No <laugh>.

Hunter Brooks: Well, um, so yeah, so the great stuff coming [00:45:00] from bot tech, Hoyt Matthews as usual. Um, any anything else new we need to hit on?

Caleb Sutton:Botec is doing, they have an integrated rest.

Zachary Hale:Well, so, so the integration on the bot tech is a little different mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So depending on what rest you're gonna go with, um, there are integrated options. The, I think it's um, I think it's Rip cord [00:45:30] is is the one that is most used because they fall under the, the same group, the outdoor group?

Caleb Sutton:Um, no, it's pure archery. Oh,

Zachary Hale:Pure archery group. I'm sorry. You're good. Um, cuz it's BoTech, rip Cord, um, Montana, black Gold, um, B Stinger, all those companies fall under a pure archery group. So I think ripcord is probably the most popular rest for the bot Tex as far as integration goes. But I know the new Hams ski, the new Epsilon, they do have an option for [00:46:00] a plate that you can, uh, bolt into the back of a riser like that. But a lot of bows, like including the bot tech, don't have those two holes machined into their riser. Yep. So if you really want it to go with like an integrated option for the bot tech, I think ripcord is probably the really the only one that you can go with right now. And I hope that changes. Yeah. I hope that changes soon. Um,

Hunter Brooks: Yeah, you know, you'll probably [00:46:30] see some changes on a, on a new boat next year, you

Caleb Sutton:Know, a lot of accessory companies are having to adjust Yeah. Because of the integrated integration between all, all these manufacturers we've covered. Because when the bridge lock system first came out from Matthews, people were run out of room for adjustment in their left and right and their windage. Yeah. Because it, it forced that entire site housing to be more on a right end bow, more to the left of the riser.

Hunter Brooks: Um, yeah, it's a good point. You know, a lot of these companies that, you know, there's a lot of these BO companies, [00:47:00] they have to communicate with a lot of these accessory companies mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, just like, uh, just like car companies would, you know. Absolutely. When, when you make new, new things and um, you know, everything's gotta, it's gotta work, right? Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's a lot of, I think, um, spot Hog has made an adjustment, uh, cbe, well it's Black Gold, HHA, h h a, um, and then the rest companies too. The Epson. Speaking of the Epsilon, you're running one this year too, aren't you? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. What'd you think of that?

Zachary Hale:I think [00:47:30] they, that it's definitely an improvement, not necessarily on functionality as far as, you know, the way the rest operates. I think they, they nailed that, you know, when they came out with the hybrid Hunter. Um, but they reduced the weight significantly and that was a big selling point for me

Caleb Sutton:Because Hamsy was known for having like a big blocky rest. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. It was, it was.

Caleb Sutton:And when you look at a hams skiing and you look at a Q A D and you show it to a customer, like, eh, that's, that's pretty big. That's

Hunter Brooks: Big. It

Zachary Hale:[00:48:00] Is a big weight difference. Yeah. Um,

Caleb Sutton:Cause I'm running one, oh, mine, the Epsilon. I've, I loved it. I'm still shoot, this year I

Zachary Hale:Think they did a great job with it. Um, I don't really think they've changed anything as far as the adjustments you can make on it. Yeah. Cause with the, the Epsilon and then like your hybrid Hunter Pro, um, both of those still have, you know, the, the micro adjustments mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's nothing different there. I think the, the smaller profile [00:48:30] and the reduction in weight was the biggest thing for them. Yeah. And then they've also got the, the new, you know, dampener on the cord. But that's, you know, I think it's more, um, cosmetic than anything else. Yeah. The

Caleb Sutton:Launcher got like a rubber coating Yeah.

Zachary Hale:On it. So that's nice. I don't

Caleb Sutton:Use the tilt on mine, which you have a Q 80 on your bow, I think. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yep. And, you know, that felt, it always is a pain in the butt. You either gotta tie it in or you need to go to like Michael's and get a sheet of felt to replace it every now and then. Yep. And having that, [00:49:00] you know, rubber traditionally on the older hams skis, like you said, the hybrid hunter pose is the same thing you had to have, like, felt on it. But with this new epsilon, you've got that rubber like, almost like a Platy dip. Like they dip it.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. It's, it's almost, it reminds me of like, um, almost like a, like a heat shrink material. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. I'd say the same thing. And it, it just dampens it. You don't have to worry about any noise when you draw on the arrow creaking on the, on the rest. And, uh, it's already like on there. Like we don't have to [00:49:30] sit there and play with the felt, which is nice when we put 'em on customer's bows.

Hunter Brooks: It's good to know. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. All right. Well before we end this, um, best new boat 2023 tank, your first go. Oh

Zachary Hale:No, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to CP 30.

Hunter Brooks: Okay. Wow.

Zachary Hale:Because

Hunter Brooks: Price point, everything.

Zachary Hale:I think price point, it's, you know, it's no more expensive than, you know, the seat. Depending, again, depending on what, uh, [00:50:00] finish you go with. Cuz sometimes they'll upcharge for certain finishes. Um, yeah. But

Hunter Brooks: For what, you get a lot of, lot of, lot of bow for the money.

Zachary Hale:Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean it's, you're, you're getting the deadlock cam system in there. You're getting, um, it's pretty much the same CAM system as what was on the CP 28, which is fantastic CAM system. Um, very easy drawing, um, getting a little bit more speed out of it than last year. Um, [00:50:30] solid back wall, right around that $1,100 price point. I think he, I don't think he can beat it.

Hunter Brooks: I'm sold. I'm, I'm going with him CP 30.

Caleb Sutton:All right. I didn't even gotta talk then.

Hunter Brooks: No, you go ahead, <laugh>.

Caleb Sutton:Um, it's a hard one.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah, it is. I mean, it's a lot of good stuff

Caleb Sutton:This year. Yeah. Am I, are we talking like if I'm buying a bow right now? Yeah. Myself.

Hunter Brooks: Sure. Why?

Caleb Sutton:Yeah, it's, I'm torn between the SS 34 and the Carbon Arc seven Ultra, um, two different price points. I love my Arc seven ultra. [00:51:00] Y'all know this. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's awesome. I love it to death. That's all you

Hunter Brooks: Talk about <laugh>.

Caleb Sutton:Oh. Come from the Matthews guy. <laugh>.

Zachary Hale:I'm pretty sure he sleeps with it too. <laugh>? No,

Caleb Sutton:It's, it's has a nice little home behind the archery counter. Yeah. Let everybody know what's going on. Um, the SS 34 really impressed me when Todd brought that in and it, yeah. It's between the two. I don't know man, if I had to pick one right now, like gun to my head, probably my Arch seven. Yeah. Y'all could have answered that. Yeah. But the SS [00:51:30] 34 really did impress me and maybe wanna buy a bot tech.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. I gotta say bot tech is man, even, you know, with the solution and um, what's the other one? The revolt. The revolt. Uh, I feel like they are progressively becoming just a real powerhouse. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and they just offer a lot of bow for the money. Um, they're just, uh, you know, like that, that solution bow, I mean that, I still think that that's one of the best bows you could have bought for the money. You just, yeah. You just can't beat that

Caleb Sutton:Thing. They're the most tuneable. We didn't even touch on that.

Hunter Brooks: They're very tunable. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Because [00:52:00] of the deadlock cam system. They continue to carry that over that outta all the bows we've talked about today. Botax bows are, and that the carbon ones got it. The S 30 fours. Got it.

Hunter Brooks: 30.

Zachary Hale:All of their, all of their main flagship bows have that system.

Caleb Sutton:Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to press, you can do it at home. You can bring it to us. We can have it done in 10, 15 minutes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Versus shimming a cam and having to take the poke completely

Hunter Brooks: Apart. So. And Todd, Todd did not pay us to, to say anything today.

Zachary Hale:No, no. He did

Hunter Brooks: Not. We, we still love you though, Todd. Todd. Yeah. If you're listening, I

Zachary Hale:Mean, if he wants to throw some sh some shirts [00:52:30] or something. Yes.

Caleb Sutton:Our way bot tech swag would be nice. Maybe a

Hunter Brooks: Carbon one. <laugh>. Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:I mean everybody gets Carbon one. I, if,

Zachary Hale:If a carbon one happens to go missing,

Hunter Brooks: This podcast is brought up a green top <laugh> bot Tech Black Rice Coffee and Bot Tech <laugh>. No, I think, uh, I agree with you. Yeah. The Ss uh, is, is a good choice. But the RX seven, I mean, it's hard, it's hard to beat, but I just gotta go with bot tech. They're, they're, they're really, uh, just, just kind of owning things right now. They're doing, they're

Caleb Sutton:Doing well. Not no Matthews for you?

Hunter Brooks: No, Matthew. I mean, cuz I'm just, [00:53:00] Matthews is all, they've always been the king, you know. Okay.

Caleb Sutton:Okay. You gotta let the little guy win every once in a while. Yeah.

Hunter Brooks: You know,

Zachary Hale:I mean, I don't really have much of an opinion on the suitability of the SS 34 strictly because I have a 27 inch draw length. That boat does not go down that low. So I have not shot it. Um, but Billy's shooting one this year.

Hunter Brooks: Billy's shooting what? The

Zachary Hale:34 4.

Hunter Brooks: Oh is he?

Zachary Hale:Yeah. Yeah. He's shooting the SS 34 this year.

Hunter Brooks: See, I, you know, hunter, [00:53:30] hunter might be shooting a Botec in the fall. You never know.

Zachary Hale:Yeah.

Caleb Sutton:Hunter don't like it. That would, that would make everybody, he I'd be the only person shooting ho. Yeah.

Zachary Hale:Yeah. Typically <laugh>.

Caleb Sutton:I don't like it. Yeah,

Zachary Hale:I mean typically cuz there was a long time, cuz when I first started working here, Billy was shooting an elite.

Caleb Sutton:Everybody shot elite, everybody.

Zachary Hale:And, and I think he had that elite for a couple of years. He

Caleb Sutton:Had the Revel, I had the synergy. Brian had the impulse.

Zachary Hale:Gary

Caleb Sutton:Was shooting Hoyt and we made fun of him. Now I'm gonna be garin. Y'all gonna make fun of me. That's

Hunter Brooks: Right.

Zachary Hale:And [00:54:00] uh, um, and then he got the RX one and he's been on the Hoit train ever since. But then they came out with the Revolt X and then he got the Revolt X. Yeah. And then he went with the RX seven Ultra, which he still has, but then he got the SS 34 this year. I think it's gotta be something special to make, you know, especially to switch. He shot

Caleb Sutton:Elk with his revolt. That's what it was. He shot the elk with the revolt and now it's game over. It's, it's what it is.

Zachary Hale:I mean, I don't, I don't wanna say that. [00:54:30] I don't wanna say that Botec is better than Hoyt cuz I'm not saying that that's a shot. I'm not saying that

Caleb Sutton:Todd. I

Zachary Hale:I'm just saying I love

Caleb Sutton:You man, but

Zachary Hale:I'm just saying the proof is in the pudding.

Caleb Sutton:<laugh>.

Hunter Brooks: You're right, you're right about that. Well, thanks for doing this today, guys. Thank you. Absolutely.

Zachary Hale:Thank

Hunter Brooks: You. We'll, uh, we'll get together on the, the game cameras here soon enough. Absolutely. Because, uh, that's one of those, uh, I guess prepping, uh, yeah. Things that you gotta get. Uh, and, and of course all, all the new stuff's gonna be out [00:55:00] here soon I'm sure. Uh, cutting back and multry cutting

Caleb Sutton:The cutting link.

Hunter Brooks: Yeah. And the cutting link system seems to be getting better and better and Yeah. Yeah. Multry more popular is always, there's cell cameras and of course, you know, you got Browning and, uh mm-hmm. <affirmative>. There's, there's, there's lots of 'em. Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll get into, um, trail cam soon enough. Yeah. But, um, thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Absolutely.

Caleb Sutton:Thank you.

Hunter Brooks: Go bot tech, right? That's right. Come on man. <laugh>,

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